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Bio sam jutros u servisu i pronašli su da postoji neki problem sa IADS-om, ali im za dijagnostiku treba više vremena, pa su mi zakazali pregled auta za subotu. Rekli su mi da je problem ili u senzorima ili u samom računaru. Na putu prema Cetinju, upalila se lampica upozorenja da je nizak pritisak ulja u motoru. To me je iznenadilo jer je zadnja promjena ulja rađena na 15000 km, a sad je auto prešao 22500 km, znači za 7500 km je potrošio 2,3 litra ulja. Provjerili su i to i zaista je falilo ulja. Objasnili su mi da su od Toyote dobili uputstvo da se u ovakvim slučajevima preporučuje zamjena karika u garantnom roku. Dakle, i ovdje očigledno postoji neki sistemski problem. Ono što mi je ostalo nejasno je da ako je zbog sistemskog problema auto potrošio toliko ulja, zašto sam morao da platim 30 EUR za dosipanje ulja. Ja ulje nijesam htio da mijenjam, jer za to nije bilo vrijeme, a kad sam već morao da ga dosipam zbog fabričke greške, žašto onda i to nije obuhvaćeno garancijom, već moram da platim. Krajnje neobično, zaista.
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Bio sam jutros u servisu i pronašli su da postoji neki problem sa IADS-om, ali im za dijagnostiku treba više vremena, pa su mi zakazali pregled auta za subotu. Rekli su mi da je problem ili u senzorima ili u samom računaru. Na putu prema Cetinju, upalila se lampica upozorenja da je nizak pritisak ulja u motoru. To me je iznenadilo jer je zadnja promjena ulja rađena na 15000 km, a sad je auto prešao 22500 km, znači za 7500 km je potrošio 2,3 litra ulja. Provjerili su i to i zaista je falilo ulja. Objasnili su mi da su od Toyote dobili uputstvo da se u ovakvim slučajevima preporučuje zamjena karika u garantnom roku. Dakle, i ovdje očigledno postoji neki sistemski problem. Ono što mi je ostalo nejasno je da ako je zbog sistemskog problema auto potrošio toliko ulja, zašto sam morao da platim 30 EUR za dosipanje ulja. Ja ulje nijesam htio da mijenjam, jer za to nije bilo vrijeme, a kad sam već morao da ga dosipam zbog fabričke greške, žašto onda i to nije obuhvaćeno garancijom, već moram da platim. Krajnje neobično, zaista.


Ne znam sta da kazem,kupio sam Rava u februaru 2007,cekao ga 2 meseca i znaci vozim ga od aprila 2007.Presao sam skoro 26000 km,ustanovio sam da trosi oko 1 litar ulja na 5000 km,znaci oko 3 litra izmedju servisa i zamene,nisam ni ja time zadovoljan pa sam pitao u servisu i oni su mi rekli da je to navodno ok i u knjizi pise kao da je sve do 1 litar na 1000 km ok,ne znam samo kako!!!! ali sve u svemu znaci moze i gore.E sad, jos uvek nisam sasvim siguran ali mi se u poslednje vreme cini da mi se smanjila potrosnja ulja,na 2. servisu za 30000km,sipali su mi neko novo ulje koje do sad nisu imali i koje je 5w30 umesto 5w40 koje je bilo do sad i smanjuje prljanje motora (low ash),kupio sam i 1 litar da imam da dosipam,samo da znate da je jos skuplje od starog oko1400din/l pa cu sad da vidim sta ce da bude jer ako i dalje bude moralo toliko da se doliva onda se uopste ne isplati voziti sa tim uljem a da ne pricamo o zameni ulja koju fakticki mi vec uradimo jer izmedju dve obavezne zamene dolijemo toliko novog ulja da je u motoru stalno sveze ulje Idea.Inace imao sam jos nekih problema ali mnogo bi bilo opsirno da sad pisem o tome,koga zanima nek se javi na pm da razmenimo iskustva,jer cinjenica je da problema ima,nadam se samo da ce svi biti reseni u garantnom roku jer smo nagrabusili ako nas sacekaju kad istekne.

Bilo bi dobro kad bi ljudi vise pisali o problemima na koje su naisli jer zato ovi forumi i postoje!!!
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Izgleda da je Toyota pronašla revolucionarni način da unaprijedi "Customer Care" tako što korisnik ne mora da ide na redovne zamjene ulja na 15000 km, već da korisnik to sam radi u domaćoj radinosti i time rastereti i servis da ne moraju da se muče sa korisnicima. Vjerovatno su krajem 2006 već predvidjeli svjetsku ekonomsku krizu pa su napravili nove genijalne motore koji se stalno podmazuju i nikad ne mogu imati prljavo ulje. Ja bih im dodijelio Nobelovu nagradu za inventivnost.

Pošto ovaj forum niko iz Toyote ne čita, jer oni smatraju da je to gubljenje vremena, a neki student koji je održavao forum je dobio otkaz, opet u cilju smanjenja troškova, ovaj forum ima smisla samo eto da korisnici koji su se zeznuli kupujući Toyotu, imaju kome da se požale, kad već nemaju kome drugome. Meni su se javili tek kad sam digao frku u servisu zašto su mi naplatili ulje koje su dosuli, jer sam im rekao da ja nijesam imao namjeru da to radim, niti je bilo predviđeno servisnim preporukama, već su to uradili zato što su morali da rješavaju problem. E pa ako zamjena neispravnog dijela auta u garantnom roku ide na teret proizvođača, logično je da dosuto ulje kojim se privremeno rješava problem ima takođe tretman "rezervnog dijela", zar ne? Nakon mog prigovora u servisu, javio se gospodin iz Toyote da mi objasni da su usled greške u kontroli kvaliteta, u jednu seriju motora ugrađene karike lošijeg kvaliteta i da treba da izvršim zamjenu karika u garantnom roku, o trošku proizvođača. To je OK, ali sam mu postavio dva pitanja:
1. Da li je Toyota postala jedan od vodećih brendova u svijetu zbog kvaliteta ili niske cijene?
2. Kako bi reagovao kada bi kupovao polovan auto koji je prešao manje od 30000 km, a da mu vlasnik auta kaže da je već mijenjao karike motora?

Zaključio sam da u ovom trenutku, na polovini garantnog roka, nije pametno da to radim, već da sačekam pred kraj isteka garancije i zamijenim karike, a da u međuvremenu dosipam ulje na trošak Toyote između redovnih intervala.

Što se tiče problema sa IADS-om, nije se više ponavljao, jer je počelo proljeće. U servisu su mi objasnili da su se najvjerovatnije zaprljali senzori na točkovima, pa se eto desio problem, ili je došlo do proklizavanja točkova pa je sistem pobrljavio. Pošto je objašnjenje bilo prilično interesantno i u koliziji sa zdravim razumom, samo sam konstatovao da sam starog rava vozio u znatno težim i prljavijim uslovima i da ovaj auto nijesam kupio "za po kući", već upravo za snijeg, klizav i loš put i prljav teren, čega u Crnoj Gori, Bogu hvala, ne fali. Dakle, treba da izbjegavam klizav put, led, snijeg i vožnju u zimskim uslovima. Mogu da ga vozim oko zgrade, po gradu i ponekad skoknem do mora, vodeći računa da ne zagazim u blato ili pijesak, da se senzori ne zaprljaju. Za to zaista nijesam morao da platim preko 30000 EUR, već samo mogao uzeti neki manji auto do 10-12000, a za ostatak kupiti neki manji čamac, da mogu i po moru da se vozim, jer moram da izbjegavam planine. Sledeći put sigurno neću ponoviti istu grešku.
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Izvinjavam se sto se mesam. Prosto mi je nelogicno da D-4D motor iz RAV4 trosi toliko ulja, iako je to u granicama normalne - svaki proizvodjac automobila na ovome svetu u svom tehnickom uputstvu navodi da je 1l potrosenog ulja na 1000km sasvim normalna stvar.

Tolika potrosnja ulja moze mozda biti i od nacina voznje. Ne kazem da vi ganjate previse vas automobil, ali i to treba imati u vidu.

Inace moja Toyota Corolla stara 19 godina i sa preko 250.000 predjenih kilometara trosi drasticno manje ulja (oko litar na 10.000km) te mi je jako cudno da Toyota sebi uopste dopusti da bilo koji njen motor ima toliku potrosnju ulja. Ja sam svoj auto vozio sa najlosijim mogucim gorivom za vreme sankcija i sa ko zna kakavim uljem tada, ali i dan danas radi i prede kao i onog dana kad sam ga izvezao iz salona kao novog. Nijedan veci kvar za sve ove godine nisam imao, vanredno odrzavanje me je kostalo ko tri cokolade godisnje bukvalno.

Ukoliko stvarno imate neki veci problem ne razumem zasto niste bili mnogo vise uporni kod ovlascenih servisera da problem ispitaju i rese. Posto znam dosta vlasnika upravo identicnih vozila koje vi imate i koji ga koriste za off road voznju i nikad problema nisu imali ni sacim, iako su presli skoro 100.000km za 2 i kusur godine vozeci po svim mogucim gudurama.

Ja bih zahtevao, na vasem mestu, posebnu paznju servisa i dilera, zastupnika, trazio bih da se ispuni garancija i vozila provere, mozda su u pitanju neki defekti koji pogadjaju izuzetno mali broj primeraka, a u svakom slucaju su duzni to da vam srede u garantnom roku.
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Moram da naglasim da na uslugu u servisu i centru stvarno nemam zamerku,do sad sam sem potrosnje ulja koja ne prelazi dozvoljeni maximum pa ne mogu nesto extra ni da izvoljevam jer je sve u propisanim granicama "normale",imao jos jedan problem i to sa sistemom za ventilaciju,tacnije posle zimske sezone i grejanja kad sam prvi put ukljucio klimu i hladjenje desilo se nesto sa klapnama za usmeravanje vazduha i posto imam dual klimu na mojoj strani je sve bilo ok a na suvozackoj je duvalo kako god ja namestio samo topao vazduh,jednostavno je nesto zablokiralo ili zalepilo klapnu,to sam prijavio u servisu i odmah su znali sta je jer izgleda nije redak slucaj,porucili su set za popravku toga i za 7 dana dok je to stiglo to mi sredili,sad posle ove zime to mi se nije ponovilo tako da se nadam da nikad i nece.Drugi problem koji je trenutno aktuelan je taj sto sam primetio dok motam volan do kraja levo ili desno u jednom trenutku osetim da nesto skljocne ili kao cakne,to sam prijavio na redovnom servisu,proverili su naravno ceo trap i uredno mi rekli da ima mali luft da li na kraju spone ili u letvi volana nisam tacno siguran ali da su ceo set za popravku vec porucili i da ce me zvati za 7 dana da dodjem da mi to zamene,nadam se da ce i ovo proci kao i prva popravka bez problema,pogotovo sto su mi rekli da popravka ovoga kosta 2000 evra,verovatno jer mi menjaju ceo set a ne jedan deo,naravno o toyotinom trosku.
Tako da ne znam sta da kazem,auto me stvarno sluzi extra da kucnem u drvo chuk chuk chuk,problem je po meni sto smo mi kupili prvu seriju Rava koja je izasla i koja ocigledno ima nekih decjih bolesti,to je poznata stvar u svetu auta,e sad,jedan od razloga sto sam kupio toyotu i jeste kvalitet i garancija od 3 godine i nadam se da fabrika stoji iza toga i da cu sve decje bolesti izleciti u te tri godine,ne mogu da krivim nikoga u servisu jer su mi uvek izasli u susret i resili problem vrhunski,to je moj slucaj,ostaje mi da verujem u toyotu i uzivam u njoj jer ovaj auto stvarno obozavam i ne bih voleo da ga menjam zbog za sada i po meni ne tako velikih problema,verujte mi da ima mnogo vecih problema i to kod i skuplih i zvucnijih imena iz evropske ponude sa manjom garancijom a vecim cenama popravke,sta oni da kazu???Ocigledno da auto industrija ide u tom smeru da vise nemozes da kupis auto i vozis ga 20 godina bez problema,jer im se to ne isplati,ima logike......

Pisite i dalje,dajte neke komentare,savete,sta vi mislite,sta ciniti?
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Ja još uvijek imam prethodni model RAV-a iz 2004 godine, koji sad vozi moja supruga. Auto je prešao oko 80.000 km, bez ijednog problema, a mnogo sam ga manje štedio od ovog novijeg modela i vozio sam ga po svakakvim terenima. Čak sam i planinu Bjelasicu prešao do vrha i nazad na drugu stranu, po najgorim putevima posutim krupnim kamenom i šumskim putevima, preko blata i korijenja. Problem je što ovaj noviji model definitivno ima neki problem sa kvalitetom, a potvrda je to što su mi u Toyoti rekli da su u motor ugradili karike lošijeg kvaliteta koje se brže troše. Ako je normalno da na 1000 km motor potroši 1 litar, to znači da bi između dva intervala zamjene ulja, teoretski mogao da troši 15 litara, što ne može biti nikako normalno, zar ne? To se prosto kosi sa zdravim razumom.

Postoji neko objašnjenje koje sam našao na Internetu da nova turbo dizel auta troše više ulja, zbog povećanog pritiska u klipovima, da bi se izvuklo što više snage iz što manje zapremine motora. Možda, ali je ipak čudno, ne znam zaista.
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Pa sto se tice potrosnje ulja vec sam rekao da moj auto trosi oko 3 litra na 15000km,znaci za godinu dana ili izmedju servisa tako da ne mogu da kazem da je veliki problem,jeste vise u poredjenju sa nekim kolima pogotovo benzincima,ali svaki dizel auto koji sam imao trosio je vise ulja nego benzinac,pogotovo ako je turbo,ja sad trenutno imam i pezoa 307 koji ne trosi ni gram iako je 5 godina star ali on je benzinac,a imao sam i golfa tdi koji je trosio ulje itd...itd.Vec sam u ranijem postu rekao da su mi sad sipali na servisu neko novo ulje pa ostaje da vidim kako ce sad sa njim da se ponasa,dali ce da bude nekih promena,i znate sta mi jos nije jasno motori ko nasi su jos i u avensisu i koroli verso pa me zanima jeste li nasli negde da se i kod njih neko zali na potrosnju ulja,zasto bi toyota stavila samo u nase motore lose karike ako se isti motori prave na istoj traci istovremeno,sta mislite o tome?
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Zaboravio sam da pomenem da su mi na drugom servisu sad pre neki dan uradili i nesto sa softverom,neki reprogram ili sta vec i sad imam neku nalepnicu na kompu pod haubom da je to uradjeno u toyoti i pise broj softvera-sifra,mozda i to ima neke veze sa uljem,pogledajte post u temi corola verso sa komentarom coveka koji pominje hrvatski servis isto u vezi potrosnje ulja.Ko ce ga znati....
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